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Bill Maher on Religion and Politics

Have you seen this yet? Skip to about 2:30 (around 3:55 on the countdown timer) for the relevant part.

Maher makes some great points, one of which I pointed out early this year when Mitt Romney responded to someone saying he’d never vote for a Mormon.

One of the great things about this great land is we have people of different faiths and different persuasions, and I’m convinced that the nation does need to have people of different faiths, but we need to have a person of faith lead the country.

Translation: you may not like my religion, but at least I’m not an atheist.

A few of Maher’s points don’t quite work for me, however. I don’t know where he got his data, but I don’t think nonbelievers (atheists and agnostics combined) make up 20% of the voting public in the US — or to be more precise, I don’t think enough nonbelievers would admit they are to bring our numbers up to 20%.

But the main problem is that, if as he points out 70% of Americans believe it’s important to have a president with strong religious beliefs, then you simply can’t compare nonbelievers (or “rationalists,” as he prefers to call us) to other minority groups. If a politician makes a point of telling the African American community that s/he’s on their side, that does not automatically equate to not being on the side of white people. You can support women without losing the male vote. There are enough straights who support gay rights that you can come out in favor of at least some semblance of equal rights for the GLBT community without losing the support of everyone else.

But about as close as you can come to supporting nonbelievers is one of those namby pamby statements about how the First Amendment’s guarantee of freedom of religion includes the freedom not to have one. You can’t say that there’s nothing wrong with the idea of an atheist president, although we’ve undoubtedly had some. If a candidate dared say they weren’t religious they’d be dead. It was only this year that a single member of the House, Pete Stark of California came out as a nontheist, and that’s after being in office for some 34 years.

Sorry Bill, but supporting us means losing support from the majority. That’s just the way it is.

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Did Olbermann Chicken Out?

I was watching Countdown on Friday night (I usually catch the midnight replay) and of course, it being the night of the official premiere of the Simpsons Movie, they had a story about the global hype surrounding the film. After Monica Novotny was done talking about how the CN Tower “now has a sprinkilicious view,” our boy Keith, hero of lefty bloggers all over the interweb tubies, he who fears no Bushy, came back to say (from the official transcript):

And, of course, Monica meant squishies, not slushies. The woman behind Bart Simpson will be joining us live here on Monday. Nancy Cartwright, the voice of Bart, dude, on COUNTDOWN at 8:00 Eastern, 5:00 Pacific. Be there, aloha.

Bart Simpson as Tom CruiseI was so excited! No, not because I was going to learn all kinds of fun stuff about the show or the movie. I was excited because Nancy Cartwright, the voice of Bart Simpson, is a Scientologist. We know how Olbermann feels about Scientology. There was no way he was going to interview Nancy Cartwright without one of them bringing up the Church — either he’d bravely take the interview off its planned course of plugging the movie and insist she tell the truth about Prince Xenu, or she’d at the very least demonstrate her disdain for the things he’s had to say about Tom Cruise. In either case, this was going to be good.

So I tuned in tonight at 8:00. I didn’t want to risk something big and ugly going down and having it deleted from the version I would have seen at midnight. No, I didn’t want to miss a thing.

And what did I get? An interview with Yeardley Smith, the voice of Lisa Simpson. What? It was supposed to be Bart, not Lisa. You said so, Keith!

What a disappointment. The interview was fine — perfectly infotaining. But it was not what I’d been waiting all weekend for. No fireworks. No name calling. Poo.

I want to know who blinked, and under what circumstances. Did the brave Sir Keith turn coward on us, afraid of things getting less than fun in his final segment of the night, when he normally gives us his powder-puff soft celebrity news? Did Cartwright refuse to speak with the heretic? Did MSNBC wise up to what was likely to take place and decide to play it safe? Somebody clue me in.

Update: I just noticed, in the repeat broadcast of the interview (hey, there’s nothing else on, ok?) that Keith makes a point early on about how the entire cast seems to enjoy working together, and he reels off a list of names: Dan Castellaneta, Julie Kavner, Harry Shearer… but not Nancy Cartwright! Freudian slip, or spiteful omission?

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The Drama in Alabama

Bob RileyHey, it almost rhymes.

The happy, grandfatherly, Reaganoid gent over there is Governor Bob Riley of Alabama. I won’t bother mentioning his party affiliation. Just dig his ‘do and you’ll know.

Alabama has been dealing with a bit of a drought, but Governor Bob knows what to do about that:

With the state’s weather forecasters not delivering much-needed rain, Gov. Bob Riley on Thursday turned to a higher power. The governor issued a proclamation calling for a week of prayer for rain, beginning Saturday.

Riley encouraged Alabamians to pray “individually and in their houses of worship.”

“Throughout our history, Alabamians have turned in prayer to God to humbly ask for his blessings and to hold us steady during times of difficulty,” Riley said. “This drought is without question a time of great difficulty.”

I’ve heard tell that if the prayer doesn’t do the trick, Governor Bob has invited all the state’s virgins to join him on the lawn of the Governor’s Mansion the following Saturday to get naked, cover themselves in mud and dance for the pleasure of the Rain God. Goats and oxen will be sacrificed and deep-fried twinkies will be served. Come one come all (virgins)!

Apparently, Barry Lynn of Americans United is none too pleased with the plan. “He shouldn’t do these things that raise the specter of government promoting a particular religion,” Lynn said. “It’s just a bad idea.” But what’s he know? Get him a deep-fried twinkie and then ask him what he thinks.

Blogs Against Theocracy

The preceding has been a slightly less than serious contribution to the July 2007 edition of Blogs Against Theocracy, with a tip of the hat to Crooks and Liars.

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Democracy, Not Theocracy

First Freedom FirstI’ve mentioned First Freedom First a couple of times already, but Blue Gal posted this video today, and it’s really good. Without further comment, this is the message:

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For Chocolatey Goodness’ Sake

Don’t go to church on Sunday
Don’t get on my knees to pray
Don’t memorize the books of the Bible
I got my own special way
Bit I know Jesus loves me
Maybe just a little bit more

I fall on my knees every Sunday
At Zerelda Lee’s candy store

Well it’s got to be a chocolate Jesus
Make me feel good inside
Got to be a chocolate Jesus
Keep me satisfied

Well I don’t want no Anna Zabba
Don’t want no Almond Joy
There ain’t nothing better
Suitable for this boy
Well it’s the only thing
That can pick me up
Better than a cup of gold
See only a chocolate Jesus
Can satisfy my soul

When the weather gets rough
And it’s whiskey in the shade
It’s best to wrap your savior
Up in cellophane
He flows like the big muddy
But that’s ok
Pour him over ice cream
For a nice parfait

chocolate jesus

Honestly, what’s the big deal about the image above? Is it worse than the one below? One is a sculpture, intended to be looked at and thought about, the other is a bit of candy, intended to be snacked on.

chocolate jesus

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Bush’s Religious Freedom Scam

First Freedom FirstI’ve mentioned before. They’re very much on what I consider to be the right side of the religious freedom debate. That is, they support the idea that freedom of religion absolutely includes freedom from religion.

Today, I got an email from them that deserves to be spread around, so here it is.

First Freedom Faked!

Dear Friend of First Freedom First,

When we learned this week of a newly unveiled Department of Justice (DOJ) initiative titled the “First Freedom Project,” our interest peaked. After comparing it to our own effort, First Freedom First we were deeply disappointed.

First Freedom First would welcome an initiative by Bush administration officials to truly preserve and protect religious freedom in America, but their track record shows that they only believe in half of the First Amendment’s two religious freedom clauses. The DOJ’s First Freedom Project is a scam.

How timely and hypocritical. Next week in Hein v. Freedom From Religion Foundation, administration lawyers will argue before the Supreme Court that taxpayers should be denied the legal right to challenge government spending that favors religion.

So this week, they unveil a program that claims to protect our religious liberties. No administration in our history has trampled the First Amendment more than the Bush administration.

Deceptively naming this program First Freedom is a typical strategy of the Bush administration. The title hides its true purpose, just like the USA PATRIOT Act, the Healthy Forest Restoration Act and No Child Left Behind.

In the most religiously diverse nation in the world, religious freedom is for everybody. It’s not the freedom of our government to impose or even favor one religion over others. We invite everyone who cares about religious freedom to compare the attorney general’s First Freedom Project with First Freedom First.

Our petition has already been signed by over 100,000 people and will be presented to political leaders throughout the nation to encourage their renewed commitment to the First Amendment.

To help safeguard separation of church and state and protect religious liberty, please forward the petition to at least one friend.

Thanks again for your support!

All the Best,

Beth Corbin and Bethany Moore of
Donna Red Wing and Eric Shutt of

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Does Mitt Know the Lord?

Mitt RomneyI found this at Crooks and Liars.

Mitt Romney was chatting up a group of people (I don’t know where this happened, but based on the pronunciation of the word “god” I’d say it has to be the Midwest, maybe Chicago) and one man indicated how important it was to him that he vote for “a man who stands for the lord Jesus Christ.” He then went on to say that he’d never vote for Romney because, as a Mormon, Mitt just doesn’t “know the lord.” He’s identified in the title of the video as a “heckler,” but as far as I can tell he was polite in the way he said what he said, whether you think the message was pleasant or not. The crowd booed. They’d have none of this religious persecution.

Romney’s response was so… American. Mitt understands that you don’t have to be a Methodist, a Congregationalist, a Presbyterian or some such thing to be President of the US of A. Why, we’ve got freedom of religion! It brought a tear to my eye.

One of the great things about this great land is we have people of different faiths and different persuasions, and I’m convinced that the nation does need to have people of different faiths, but we need to have a person of faith lead the country.

Translation: You may not like my religion, but at least I’m not some filthy atheist.

I love you too, Mitzi.

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CNN Responds

I wrote a complaint to CNN about their and a response (a second response, you might say) arrived this morning:

Greetings,

Thank you for letting us know you received an erroneous response to the email you sent to Paula Zahn Now. We did experience a glitch that resulted in some of these emails generating a response from our coverage of Steve Irwin’s memorial service. Please accept our apologies for that. This response is to let you know we have verified your original email is in the Paula Zahn Now email box, and has been read.

We also want to make sure you know that due to breaking news coverage of the death of Anna Nicole Smith, the follow-up segment “Out in the Open: What Happened to Love Thy Neighbor” scheduled to air last night on Paula Zahn Now has been rescheduled for Monday night, February 12.

Thank you for taking time to send your comments our way, and for being our valued viewer.

Regards,

CNN Public Information

I did receive the glitch message about Steve Irwin, but I didn’t bother replying to it. And I wasn’t concerned about the air date of of the follow-up, as I didn’t know about it, but I’ll be watching for it on YouTube.

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CNN Bashes Atheists

I’ve written before about a story on that implied that atheists aren’t repulsed by extremist religious views. It was the sort of badly-worded statement that clearly wasn’t intended as an attack on atheists, but that showed a general lack of consideration:

His extremist views may be repugnant to the vast majority of muslims — in fact, anyone who believes in God.

Well, that was nothing. How about some overt atheist bashing?

This is just astonishing to me. They run a story that clearly shows that this family was discriminated against, and follow it up with a panel discussion that backs up just about everything that town did to the family. Where was the atheist on the panel, or at the very least, where was somebody who actually has an understanding of the first amendment? Freedom of religion doesn’t include freedom from religion? Yes, it fucking well does. Or at least it’s supposed to.

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Crazy Old Coot

Pat Robertson and his activities are pure blog fodder (blodder?). If the average blog has one reader, there’s nothing wrong with writing about him, thinking about him, quoting him, mocking him, defending him, or whatever. I can write about Robertson, President Whuh, my cats, the PRM’s new governor (woo hoo) or the controversy over whether or not I should buy slippers. My little stories, in and of themselves, don’t determine what’s “news,” even if they do play a role in some larger trend. It’s not my place here on this blog to decide what matters to the nation and the world. I’m just here to talk about what matters to me.

But I have a small request for those Masters of the Mainstream Media — , , , , and company: he’s just a crazy old coot. He is not news, no matter what crap spews from his hole. Ignore him.

If you look at some of his prophecies over the years, you’ll see that he’s nothing more than , the only difference being that she didn’t have her own network on the eye of hell.

January 3, 2005:

Well, the Lord has some very encouraging news for George Bush … What I heard is that Bush is now positioned to have victory after victory and that his second term is going to be one of triumph, which is pretty strong stuff. … He’ll have Social Security reform passed. He’ll have tax reform passed. He’ll have conservative judges on the courts. And that basically he is positioned for a series of dramatic victories which I hope will hearten him and his advisers. They don’t have to be timid in this matter because the wind is blowing at his back, and he can move forward boldly and get results.

January 3, 2006:

Bush is going to strengthen in 2006. The fall elections will be inconclusive, but the outcome of the war and the success of the economy will leave the Republicans in charge…

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And the war in Iraq is going to come to a successful conclusion. We’ll begin withdrawing troops before the end of this year.

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There will be earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornados — volcanic eruption. The coasts will be lashed by storms and disasters and, yet, this still isn’t the big one. Bigger ones are even coming, but that’s what’s going to be — going to be happening.

Now he says there’s going to be a terrorist attack on a major city in the US this year, that it might be nuclear, and that it will lead to chaos. So what? When he says that god told him something, you have a choice of viewing that as voices in his head, wishful thinking, or an outright lie intended to frighten people. Even a theist knows not to believe that their infallible lord would give out such fucked up information.

On a number of occasions, Robertson has claimed that some incident was punishment from god.

I have said last year that Israel was entering into the most dangerous period of its entire existence as a nation. That is intensifying this year with the loss of Sharon. Sharon was personally a very likeable person. I am sad to see him in this condition. But I think we need to look at the Bible and the Book of Joel. The prophet Joel makes it very clear that God has enmity against those who, quote, “divide my land.” God considers this land to be his. You read the Bible, he says, “This is my land.” And for any prime minister of Israel who decides he going carve it up and give it away, God says, “No. This is mine.” And the same thing — I had a wonderful meeting with Yitzhak Rabin in 1974. He was tragically assassinated, and it was terrible thing that happened, but nevertheless, he was dead. And now Ariel Sharon, who was again a very likeable person, a delightful person to be with. I prayed with him personally. But here he is at the point of death. He was dividing God’s land, and I would say woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the EU, the United Nations or United States of America. God said, “This land belongs to me, you better leave it alone.”

You know, it’s just amazing, though, that people say the litmus test for [Supreme Court nominee John G.] Roberts [Jr.] is whether or not he supports the wholesale slaughter of unborn children. We have killed over 40 million unborn babies in America. I was reading, yesterday, a book that was very interesting about what God has to say in the Old Testament about those who shed innocent blood. And he used the term that those who do this, “the land will vomit you out.” That — you look at your — you look at the book of Leviticus and see what it says there. And this author of this said, “well ‘vomit out’ means you are not able to defend yourself.” But have we found we are unable somehow to defend ourselves against some of the attacks that are coming against us, either by terrorists or now by natural disaster? Could they be connected in some way? And he goes down the list of the things that God says will cause a nation to lose its possession, and to be vomited out. And the amazing thing is, a judge has now got to say, “I will support the wholesale slaughter of innocent children” in order to get confirmed to the bench. And I am sure Judge Roberts is not going to say any such thing. But nevertheless, that’s the litmus test that’s being put on, the very thing that could endanger our nation. And it’s very interesting. Read the bible, read Leviticus, see what it says there.

Then there are his calls for and threats of violence against those who don’t share his views. Violence by man…

You know, I don’t know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. And I don’t think any oil shipments will stop. But this man is a terrific danger and the United … This is in our sphere of influence, so we can’t let this happen. We have the Monroe Doctrine, we have other doctrines that we have announced. And without question, this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us very badly. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don’t need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It’s a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.

And violence by god.

If there is a disaster in your area, don’t turn to God, you just rejected him from your city… And don’t wonder why he hasn’t helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I’m not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that’s the case, don’t ask for his help because he might not be there.

And just to round things out, let’s look at some of the comments he’s made about religions other than his own and the people who believe in them:

When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. “What do you mean?” the media challenged me. “You’re not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?” My simple answer is, “Yes, they are.”

Source: The New World Order, page 218

The Constitution of the United States, for instance, is a marvelous document for self-government by the Christian people. But the minute you turn the document into the hands of non-Christian people and atheistic people they can use it to destroy the very foundation of our society. And that’s what’s been happening.

Source: The 700 Club, Dec. 30, 1981

You say you’re supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don’t have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist. I can love the people who hold false opinions but I don’t have to be nice to them.

Source: The 700 Club, January 14, 1991

If anybody understood what Hindus really believe, there would be no doubt that they have no business administering government policies in a country that favors freedom and equality. … Can you imagine having the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini as defense minister, or Mahatma Gandhi as minister of health, education, and welfare? The Hindu and Buddhist idea of karma and the Muslim idea of kismet, or fate condemn the poor and the disabled to their suffering. … It’s the will of Allah. These beliefs are nothing but abject fatalism, and they would devastate the social gains this nation has made if they were ever put into practice.

Source: The New World Order, page 219

The point, quite simply, is that he’s a crackpot. He’s in the news not because he’s important, but because you big shots put him there. He no longer controls enough followers to make a difference, he’s an embarrassment to his fellow evangelicals, and he’s too hateful to be considered funny — although I’m willing to admit that when he claimed he could lift more weight than anyone else in the world, that was funny enough to put him on the news. But please, when crazy ol’ Pat announces that the baby Jesus has been whispering in his ear, pay no attention. It’s not news.

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